Ignite Your Inner Confidence - Lessons from Award Winning Empowerment Coach ~ Jamie McKinney | 7
Jamie McKinney: [00:00:00] But when you're doing something that you love and you have listened to those universe whispers and the God nudges and you know, whatever you wanna call it, your soul is aligned. And of course there's gonna be challenges. Of course, there's gonna be hard things. Of course there's gonna be figure-it-out days or weeks. But you're doing it. You're there because you want to be, not because you have to be.
Julie Cober: Imagine if you were invited to a room filled with a collection of the most diverse, interesting, authentic women in business leadership and entrepreneurship today, sharing their stories of growth, courage, risk, and change. Women who've declared enough is enough. These rules of success I've been asked to follow no longer work for me, and frankly, who made them up anyway.
Well, there is such a room and my friend, you're here in it right now. Welcome to “According To Who?”. The go-to podcast for successful [00:01:00] women who are ready to question the current status quo, do things differently and rewrite her next chapter.
I'm your host, Julie Cober, former C-Suite, corporate executive turned founder, CEO, and peak performance mindset coach to the female founder on a mission to build, grow, and scale on her own terms. If you're craving more freedom, wellbeing, and true fulfillment both in your work and your life, guess what? You're going to love being in this room.
Julie Cober: All right. Welcome back everyone to “According To Who?”. I am so excited for today's podcast, today's interview. I'm gonna be talking today with a dear friend and colleague of mine, Jamie McKinney. So welcome, Jamie. Jamie and I met a couple years ago in a leadership mastermind that we were both a part of, and I mentioned if you've listened to it. A couple of podcasts ago, we also had [00:02:00] Darla Bonk on the podcast.
So Jamie and Darla and I were assigned to a, an accountability group within this masterclass. And as I said on the podcast with Darla, it was like, to me it was a match made in heaven. Like the three of us, whomever made that decision, knocked it outta the park. We are so similar in how we think our journeys, what we believe, all the things.
So I'm so, so excited to have Jamie with us today. She is what I call another corporate graduate. We don't call them dropouts around here, we call them graduates. Um, she comes out of a very decorated award-winning corporate career as an executive in business development, marketing and sales, and.
With the cherry on top, predominantly in a very male, very male dominated industry. So I cannot wait to hear what Jamie has to share with us. Um, but as we always do, we [00:03:00] start with her bio. So I'm gonna read that word for word and then we're gonna jump into the juicy conversation today. So Jamie McKinney is an award-winning coach.
I'm gonna tell you about her latest award too. Very impressive and bestselling author of Speak Up Sister. The Professional Women's Guide to Confidence and Success, recognized by IAOTP Training Magazine, Brainz Magazine, and by the Denver Business Journal as a top woman in energy. Jamie jokes that her stilettos have steel toes, which I just love that.
Um, she's a certified as a positive intelligence and situational leadership coach. She incorporates psychology, neuroscience, and action driven exercises into her immersive training programs. Participants don't simply listen and reflect. They take action. They push beyond their comfort zones and they achieve results.
On a personal note, Jamie has a goal of to [00:04:00] visit all of Major League. Baseball ballparks. And there's only one remaining. So I have one question here. Have you been to the skydome? Have you been to the Rogers Center?
Jamie McKinney: I have!
Julie Cober: You have, she's been to Toronto because we're a hot baseball team right now. Right.
Jamie McKinney: Excellent. Yeah, it was, it was a few years ago that I checked that one off the list.
Julie Cober: Oh, nice. So what one do you have left to go to?
Jamie McKinney: Cincinnati. And the irony of that is that I'm from Ohio. Uh, but I, oh, started, I started this little adventure after I had moved to Colorado and then when I figured out that I was doing it, I've intentionally left Cincinnati for last so that my family can come meet me.
Julie Cober: Nice. Yeah. Be, leave the best for last. Right? Oh my gosh, that's so exciting. Okay, so welcome, welcome, welcome. So let's dive in. So I always love to start these interviews with the, these amazing women that come and speak to us on according to who with, can you give us a high level overview of your corporate career?
What was it [00:05:00] like for you growing up in such a male dominated industry? You know, I just, and I also just love the reference to your steel tone stilettos.
Jamie McKinney: So I lemme give you the background, like literally, right. Came from, um, it was inspired by a male colleague. Uh, but first I just wanna say thank you Julie, so much for having me.
Time spent with Julie is this time very well spent and it's always a better day. I'm so honored to be here. And, and like you said before, we, that was like a stroke of luck or someone's genius that we'll never know.
Julie Cober: Divine. Divine. I think Divine intervention.
Jamie McKinney: Divine intervention that you and Darla and I were put in the same accountability pod. 'cause it's, it's the greatest value that I took, that I took from that mastermind.
Julie Cober: Me too.
Jamie McKinney: So this, the steel toed stilettos, I'll back up just a little bit. So I started my career in the automotive refinish industry where I knew nothing about. Cars or paint, which is what automotive refinishes, it's like, you know, once, if you, it's not on the manufacturing side, but if you get an accident, have to go to a collision center.
The coatings that go on your [00:06:00] vehicle there. That's, that's the company, the, the industry that I was working in. I knew nothing about it. I was the third female to join a team of 400.
Julie Cober: Wow.
Jamie McKinney: I was on average the youngest by about 20 years.
Julie Cober: Gosh.
Jamie McKinney: So you can imagine how often I heard, oh, you remind me of my daughter. You remind me of my granddaughter.
Julie Cober: Oh my gosh. Um, great.
Jamie McKinney: And the one thing that I did have was a college degree, which much of their aging workforce did not, which is why the company was looking for candidates like me to join the team because they were like, A. we need people with. With college degrees and it was like just some basic, like Microsoft Excel, like I knew my way around a spreadsheet and most people didn't, didn't know that or presentation skills.
But if we were playing the game, which one of these things was not like the others. I mean, that was me on just about every level and my, my, my parents or my mom was a teacher. My dad was a firefighter. So you know, I didn't really have much [00:07:00] exposure to what the business world was. And so I just, I don't know if it was just ignorance was bliss or what have you, but I just kind of assumed like, well this, this is what it's like really everywhere.
And I was excited to join the company because they said, we love that you don't know anything about cars and paint. We're gonna teach you that for a year. The full, the entire first year of my job I was learning and getting paid, which was a whole amazing, I was use to that scenario and I had a company car and a phone and a computer and all this stuff.
Julie Cober: Wow. Wow. Great. First job. That was your first job? Yeah. Wow. That's amazing.
Jamie McKinney: I hit the jackpot. But I got into this, the, the company, and I mean, as you can imagine, there were just, there were a lot of challenges and a lot of, you know, I'll air quote shenanigans when these guys started doing the math that, you know, this young chick was being groomed to potentially be their boss.
You know, so many lessons initially learned the hard way. And while I had a lot of technical training, um, and even sales training, I didn't really have [00:08:00] leadership training or communication training. And there was one. Course that I took, and it was about interaction styles and I was so enthralled with it, and it was so helpful to, to open my eyes of how to recognize and work with others differences as opposed to against them.
I mean, I didn't realize that Catholic school girl from Ohio wasn't like everybody else until I was outta Ohio and, you know, and I did go to a, a big bad public school for college, but I just, I, I had no idea that everybody else wasn't, wasn't like me. You know, I grew, I grew up in this bubble, right? And once I was out of the bubble, it, it took a lot of learning to figure out like who I am, how to stay centered in who I'm, and my own confidence, and to be able to meet others where they are.
Even when they have more experience than I do, even when they're much older than I am. You know, even when they're not, [00:09:00] they're, they're male and I'm, yeah.
Julie Cober: Different sex.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. I'm female. So that was, that was the four –
Julie Cober: Major learnings. Oh, major, major learnings. Like Wow. Talk about, yeah. In your first job. That's pretty amazing actually, when you think about that, to have that so early.
That's like, that's foundational. Yeah. That's foundational stuff. That's foundational leadership skills. And you wouldn't, you could take a course and you could write, you know, read a book or two. There's nothing that replaces being in situations like that.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah.
Julie Cober: That home leadership skills.
Jamie McKinney: Yes, it was, it was a huge gift. And I mean, that's like all of our struggles, right? Is that, that, you know Let's acknowledge like there's, they're not gonna be fun in the moment and there's gonna be things that sting or, you know, you really carry around with you, but you ultimately, if you choose to, you learn from those things.
And you know, one of the stigmas that I challenged early was this. Gripe that as a woman, I had to know my stuff twice as well. Hmm. [00:10:00]
Julie Cober: Okay. Good. Yeah.
Jamie McKinney: Saw, but I always thought about that. Yeah. I always, I always saw that as an advantage because yes. I mean, while I nerd alert like would make flashcards to, to learn some of this technical information, you've got yours. Right.
Julie Cober: We were meant to be friends.
Jamie McKinney: Yes. You know you’re friends when.
Julie Cober: Yeah. When they write flashcards.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. But, but in learning that and using it in meetings, I also knew that I got to carry that with me. Right. Yeah. I mean, once I obtained that knowledge and I spent the time on it, that was an investment in me.
I mean, that wasn't wasted time. And so when it came to promotions or opportunities or even just having conversations with higher level people in the organization who realized that I didn't just. Know what was in my lane and nothing else. Mm-hmm. Like I, I knew bigger picture things and I could look at bigger vision and that that was ultimately rewarded.
[00:11:00] So that was a big lesson right from the get go. I mean, was it more work? Yes. However, that, that work had a return to it.
Julie Cober: Yeah. And they, that's why they hired you. Remember they hired you for a reason, but now you're in the trenches with all the, the day to day. Mm-hmm. But that's why they hired you. Right?
Jamie McKinney: Right, right. Yes.
Julie Cober: So, so I so you went from automotive to energy. Did you go right to energy? After automotive?
Jamie McKinney: Well, so I learned a lot of lessons in, in automotive. Mm-hmm. And, uh, while I was in the automotive industry, I, I went back to school to get my MBA, so I was doing full-time work and full-time school. And I realized that I had no passion for cars and paint.
Like, I just, I couldn't care less about the industry, but I loved the business development, marketing, sales that I did. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I thought, wouldn't it be cool if I could do both, but I could do, do my job and present with Polish? Because that was one of my advantages over my, my colleagues yet also have the same passion that they had because I did not have the passion mm-hmm.
That they did. And so that's when I transitioned over [00:12:00] to the energy industry. Renewables and sustainability for a little bit, and then transitioned over to oil and gas. And a lot of that is blended now. We call it energy. It wasn't as separated. Right, right. It's not as separated now as it was then. Mm-hmm.
And so my first week I was sent out to tour an oil rig, and I was super excited about this. Right. Because not, not everybody gets to do that. And my boss, who was, who was wonderful, his name was Steve, he said, ah, dam. He said, all right. The, the rig that I have available to send you to, it's, it's ran by a gentleman.
He used that term loosely. Gentleman named Bob. He's pretty rough around the edges. I wish I had a better candidate for you, but we're gonna, we're gonna have to go with this. And I was like, all good, Steve. I've probably, I can handle it. I've probably, I've probably met Bob before. Hmm. So I sent Bob an email the day, the day before I was going out to the rig.
And I said, Hey, you know, hey Bob, looking forward to meeting you tomorrow. And I listed out all of my PPE that I, my. Personal protective equipment, right? Then I've [00:13:00] got my hard hat, I've got my go overalls, I've got my eyeglasses da, you know, let me know if, if I need anything else or what I can do to best prepare.
He his, he hit reply and his email simply said, I'm gonna direct quote here. Well, don't be wearing them stilettos out here. So that's from him. So, well that was the start it, so I get this email in my inbox, don't be, and I say to, you know, don't be wearing them stilettos out here. So I reply to Bob and I say, well, they have steel toes, so that'll work. Right.
Julie Cober: Oh, that's so funny. And oh, that is so funny.
Jamie McKinney: This point, like I, you know. I was new to the oil and gas industry, but I wa I wasn't new to the, the dynamics I'll say. Mm-hmm. And what was interesting about that is that when I showed up on the rig site the next day, Bob was actually very welcoming and almost like protective of me.
And it was funny because I thought had Steve not said anything about him [00:14:00] being rough around the edges, I would've never known. And I had to think that when I pushed back on his comment, you know, with, with a, you know, sass that the humor, necessarily the humor, recommend, but with humor, yes. That was, I was presenting myself as, you know what, you can, you can pull this stuff, but I'm gonna stand my ground and I'm gonna, I'm gonna be my confident self regardless of what your behavior is.
So, you know, maybe we can just be friends here and work together. And that's, that's what wound up happening. So I, I credit Bob with inspiration for the steel to let us.
Julie Cober: He probably got that. He probably, like when you told me that interchange right there, my first thought was, oh, he's got someone, he, he gets it here.
He is not gonna be, he's not gonna try and pull maybe necessarily. And you know what, in my experience in this space is that, you know, men act in men that are in this category. They're not all in this category, but they tend to act differently with other men.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: Right. So I [00:15:00] have seen people who have kind of a reputation in this space.
And when I've had to interact with them too, 'cause I've grown up in some male dominated industries. I had the same response You did. I'm like, what are they talking about? Mm-hmm. This guy was like a perfect gentleman. Yeah. So he obviously doesn't act that way with the guys. Right? Right.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. And so much of it is the energy that you're bringing.
How you're carrying yourself, how you're communicating, how you're, I mean, it's, it's the same thing as dealing with a bully. If, if a bully doesn't get the response that they think they're going to get out of you, they don't get the hit of dopamine that says, Ooh, that was fun. Do it again. So when you don't give them that response, you're interrupting the neurochemical release, you're interrupting that pattern that they would've otherwise received.
And in doing so, they don't feel the need to continue with that behavior because they're not getting anything from it.
Julie Cober: Right. It's not gonna fly with you. Mm-hmm. Right. Exactly. Which we're gonna dive into more how, how Jamie supports her, her clients [00:16:00] this way now. Right. Um, so when you, when I, when I looked through your background, it was, am I correct in that I saw there was a period of time.
When you were still in corporate, but you were working in your new business as well. You, you, did you work in both worlds at all?
Jamie McKinney: Good, good question. Well, my, my new business was not initially my idea. Oh, okay. It, it was, it was born from requests that I was getting to come speak to different women's groups while I was working in corporate.
Okay. So, while, you know, while I had. My oil and gas job, other women were starting to take note and say, ask me like, how are you doing this? How, like, how are you getting these promotions? How are you getting these increases in compensation? Especially because my degree is not engineering. And typically you, you need a technical degree in order to advance in oil and gas.
Like what's your secret? And I was so thrilled to have this question asked me, 'cause I'm like, look, this is not a secret. Like this is a formula that I [00:17:00] figured out the hard way in automotive. And then when I got over here in oil and gas, I thought, Hmm, lemme see if this works. And it does. It's, it's a repeatable process.
And so I started speaking about it because I was like, this is not a secret for me. I mean, what I figured out, I am glad, I'm so glad to share it with you because you've got your own. Unique set of gifts and strengths. And I don't see you as my competition. I see us as collaborators. Right. And as you know, Julie, when you've got women who are united, like that is a powerful force that is a unified, we move mountains, we move mountains.
When women unified force and it's respected.
Julie Cober: Mm-hmm.
Jamie McKinney: Right? It's respected. And then you've got men saying like, Hey, how do I get on your team?
Julie Cober: Mm-hmm. I wanna work for her. Mm-hmm. You know how many men have said, I wanna work for her. Yeah. Right. Because yeah. It's the way we're
Jamie McKinney: so every, so I was getting requests to come speak and I was so excited to do that.
And every time I spoke, a handful of women came up to me afterwards and said, Hey, this was wonderful. I wanna learn [00:18:00] more. How do I buy your book? And I mean, this literally happened every time. And my book was not anything I had thought about. It wasn't bucket list item. But you know when, when someone starts, that's something to really pay attention to.
If you're thinking about doing something different than what you're doing now, what are the questions that people ask you? What, what do people come to you for? Say, Hey, tell me about this, or what do you think about that? Because that question was asked of me many times. And so in, in thinking more about it and putting some energy into it, I wound up sharing the story or sharing the idea with a friend of mine over lunch one day.
And I said, Hey, people keep asking me this. So if I wrote a book, like this is what I think I would put in it. What do you think? Uh, and he was actually a male friend of mine, entrepreneur, and he was excited about it. And then we left lunch and unbeknownst to me, he shared the concept of my book with a friend of his who owns a publishing company.
Oh wow. Okay. Right. And I didn't know this, but then it was [00:19:00] like weeks after that and I was in middle of nowhere, Texas now, and out on a rig site, and I got a phone call and I didn't know the number and I answered the number and the, the woman on the other line introduced herself as my friend's friend and said, I own a publishing company and I'd love to talk to you about the concept of your book.
And I was like, seriously? Wow. Really surprised right by that phone call. And I said, wow.
Julie Cober: How did he leave the lunch? How did he leave the lunch? Just, oh yeah, it's a good idea, Jamie. And then that's it. He, he, he put wheels in motion.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah, he put wheels in. I mean, it's so fascinating to look back on that, to think, had I not had that lunch, had I not shared my idea in process?
Right. Not well formulated, just in process. I mean, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Like, oh, that just gave me goosebumps. Wow.
Julie Cober: Okay. So let me stop there for one second. 'cause I wanna highlight something Jamie just said. Right. So I was actually just talking about this this morning with some of my clients.
The idea does not need to be formulated in a gift box with a beautiful bow. Mm-hmm. And [00:20:00] you know, we have, in my business, we call it, I say to my clients, if it's 70% ready, ship it, like ship the damn thing, right? Like, mm-hmm. We, we, when we sit in perfection, it's just because we're afraid we're procrastinating because we, you know, we're now, now we have to put ourself out there.
So you just had a lunch, you know, that was safe. It's just an idea. But yeah, like if we have an idea, do those kinds of things, bounce it off somebody, someone you trust, like what Jamie just did. Mm-hmm. And when it starts to get Teeth and momentum, act now. Yes. Right. That's the thing. Like we're, you know, as entrepreneurs, and you know what, to a degree in corporate, I, I live this way in corporate anyway, often I was.
Building and flying the plane at the same time. That's what this is. Oh, yeah. What Jamie just described.
Jamie McKinney: Right. My, my metaphor on that. Same with the vehicle. I was driving the car on the bridge while the bridge was being built. Like that's Yeah, yeah. Right.
Julie Cober: Like one brick in front of you. Right. Yeah. It just, you don't know what, [00:21:00] what the next step is, but when you take a step mm-hmm.
The next one will be revealed. Yeah. So Jamie took the step of going for lunch with her friend, and the next one was revealed. She's on a rig and gets a phone call.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: And so you wrote that book while you were still in corporate?
Jamie McKinney: No.
Julie Cober: Oh, okay. Okay.
Jamie McKinney: Here. So the next chapter, two of, of this story is, um, a few months after that, uh, that it was, that year was a, it was a tough year personally.
There were a lot of personal things happening. My. I, my husband and I lost, um, two friends of ours in a tragic accident, which is an experience I had never been through. I was having struggles with infertility, which I silently suffered through at work because mm-hmm. It was not a single person that I would entrust with that, and the company I was with at the time would've just used it against me, and that's so hard right.
To, yeah. Go into work, especially on those days when you're just, you're, you're fresh off of a, a negative [00:22:00] event and yes. And I got called into my boss's office, and there were already some things happening at the company that I realized my moral compass was not pointing in the same direction as theirs.
Mm-hmm. This wasn't going to be a sustainable place for me. I hadn't done anything about it yet, but these were definitely thoughts that were, were in my head. And he called me into his office and he handed me a termination letter. And it has three bullet points on it of why I was being let go. And I have never been terminated, ever.
I mean, not even from like the like job you had when you were 17, right.
Julie Cober: Like, like Dairy Queen or whatever.
Jamie McKinney: Right.
Julie Cober: And that doesn't shock me, Jamie, actually,
Jamie McKinney: I, right. I mean, high performer. High performer. Yeah. And, and that and yes. Right. Like, and so I looked at the three bullet points and I looked at him and.
Oil and gas speak. I said, you know, these are total bs but I, you [00:23:00] know, it was a little more colorful. And he looked at me and he said, I know he basically admitted that it was bs. And what I, the math that I later put together was he was a narcissist. I didn't, I didn't have my narcissist detection system.
Mm. Up running at the time. I do now, but I didn't then. But he was the narcissist and he was lying about my performance to protect his, and that's so common day I drove home, it was 11:30 AM on a Tuesday. My in-laws were in town, which just makes this story even funnier because they're hardly ever here.
And it just felt like daughter-in-law of the year coming home on, I got fired, but I had the phone number for that publisher. And so I sent her a text message and I said, hi. Remember me? I said my schedule's freed up a little. Are you, are you available for coffee tomorrow? Right into action. Right into action.
And [00:24:00] and she replied, and she said, actually, yes. I'm like, let's meet. So, because I was also like, what am I gonna do on a Wednesday? I've never not worked on a Wednesday. I don't even know what this feels like. Right. So I, I drove to the coffee shop, and this is not gonna surprise you, Julie, but I had a spreadsheet already, which, which had.
Like potential titles of chapters. And what I thought approximate word count would be because in writing a book, I wanted to write a real book, like not a glorified brochure or something that would be the facade of mm-hmm. I want it, I want this to be real. Like something you could put on a library shelf.
Yes. Or have at the office and it would be credible and and legitimate. And so after that meeting with her, I was really excited. And I came home and I had a conversation with my husband and per the personal challenges that year, you know, he and I were both very aligned that I was very overdue for self-care.
I'd never not worked it. This was, it was fine to take a breather. Needed to take a breather. And I said to [00:25:00] him, it was September. And I said, I wanna make the rest, I wanna make it my full-time job the rest of this year to write this book. I don't know what's gonna come after that. But I wanted, I want some breathing room, I want some space, you know, are you on board?
And he said, go babe. Go, I've, I've got your back.
Julie Cober: It's funny, we talk about this a lot here in this podcast and many women have experienced a version of what you've just described, and we, like we say, you know, when you need a rest, the universe is gonna give it to you.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah, yeah. I was very overdue.
Julie Cober: And when we don't take it, when we need it ourself, You know, that can show up in a termination, that can show up in a very long stress leave, like what happened to me for nine months. Mm-hmm. You know, it's the pebble, it's the whisper. You probably had those whispers for quite some time. Like you just said, what am I gonna do on a Wednesday? I've never not worked.
Like you've worked your whole, that's what you, that was your, you could do that with your eyes closed. Yeah, well it's the programming, high performing all the thing. [00:26:00] Right. And so that doesn't shock me at all that you would've been handed a termination because that needed, that's a pattern interrupt for you.
Jamie McKinney: Oh yeah. Like
Julie Cober: you talked about at the beginning. Right?
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. And the fact that it was so nasty and backstabbing solidified even more that Jamie, your path is not there. It's, it's over this way. And you know, whether it was universe, source energy, God, something had to make it that drastic for me. In order to almost like say, okay uncle, like I hear you.
Julie Cober: Yeah. Yeah. That's what happens. So whether whatever you believe is, I always say whatever you believe to be true is gonna be your truth. Right. But let's, let's be clear in my, this is my opinion, I think most would agree with me, we are humans made up of a soul or spirit, whatever you wanna call it. A mind, right.
And a body. And so let's be clear, the soul is the driver of the bus. Yeah. Mm-hmm. The subconscious is the driver of the bus.
Jamie McKinney: [00:27:00] Well, and when we're so busy, right. And we're caught up in the turn, we don't hear our soul. We don't, it, it's so hard. Don't listen. The phrase I like to use a lot is so hard to find the signal in the noise.
Julie Cober: Yeah, exactly. You have to get quiet. Mm-hmm. And so you can't get quiet working 40, 50, 60, 70 hours a week mm-hmm. In, in a high demanding job. Like it's, you know, you can, oh, on the weekend, all medic. Are you kidding? You're just like trying to recharge the batteries to go again the next week.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: Yeah, you can't get quiet.
So you needed to get quiet. So the universe is like, okay, let's get her, let's get her some time to get quiet. Yeah.
Jamie McKinney: Well, and you wanna know one of the lies that I was telling myself, I think you'll perceive this. Yes, please. Because we all do it. Particular, Julie, is that, so it wasn't that the company where I got fired, but it was at a different company.
That same industry, energy industry, incredibly toxic environment. But I was making the best money I made. I had really good compensation, I had disposable income. I was like, you know, thinking to [00:28:00] myself like, wow, I've really, I've really made it with this number. But it was so mentally draining. Mm-hmm. It was so toxic.
But the lie, the lie that I told myself was, well. I'm learning a lot and this is just how, how companies are and this is okay. And with my disposable income, I will use it for therapy and spa days to compensate for what I'm going through. Like I know you're shaking your head right. And I, and I only because I agree.
I get it. I know only 'cause I get it. I can, I can hear the ridiculousness of it now, but I couldn't then. And what I know from a neuroscience perspective is because that my amygdala was hijacked and I was so overcome with emotion. And when we're overcome with emotion and it becomes our natural state, we don't realize that there's a difference.
Exactly. And no matter how much you're trying to stay in the logical part of your brain when you're amygdala, there are [00:29:00] our emotional center in our brain. When your amygdala has been hijacked, it is mentally impossible to fully access your logic. And it wasn't until after I left that company that I could hear myself say that.
And, and hear how ridiculous it was. But when I was in it, I couldn't hear it. Which is why it's so important to get, you know, back to just being an accountability group. Like finding your squad, finding some outside perspective of people you trust to hold up that compassionate mirror for you finding an amazing coach like, like you are Julie.
Mm-hmm. To say, Hey, you know, I know your thought, I hear your thoughts are saying this, but if we were to just push back on that here mm-hmm. Just for a minute and, and think about this from a logical perspective. What's, what's really the truth here? What is your soul telling you? To your point, Julie.
Julie Cober: Exactly. I mean, I'll tell you a little story of mine and people will get this if they've listened to the first podcast, 'cause that's where I shared my whole story. But when my husband was sick, [00:30:00] so my husband had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma at 41, I'll never forget. So same thing, multimillion dollar career, all the things.
And I'm walking across my bedroom. To go to work. And I remember thinking, well, if he dies, at least I can afford to continue having this house.
Jamie McKinney: Oh, oh, I hear. I feel that in my heart off.
Julie Cober: Like I, and I remember driving to work going, what the F? Like I, at least I fi, like I was so defined by my financial wealth mm-hmm.
In terms of being success and this and that, that I felt somewhat safe. That if he passed away, I could still manage all the finances in our family.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: I'm like, oh man, that was kind of my, like, what the f Like we have, we have to think differently here. Yeah. Right. Similar kind of story.
Jamie McKinney: The justifications that we make. I mean, we could be pretty darn creative with them.
Julie Cober: Yeah. And that was my most toxic job, [00:31:00] most toxic leadership team. That's the job that put me on a nine, nine month stress leave. I'd only been in the job for a couple of months and I could have easily left and said, okay, made a mistake. We've all made them.
We've all had a bad hiring decision and gone to a company we shouldn't have. Okay. I kept thinking, I can't leave. We need the benefits. My husband's sick. I had enough money. I could have paid for whatever. Right? I could have left and found another job, but I just kept telling myself, I can't right now. I can't right now with what he was going through.
So I stayed in the toxicity on top of having a husband that's beating or fighting cancer and yeah, that's just a recipe for disaster, right? Mm-hmm. Like we always have, I guess the message is we always have choice. We can make pivotal moves. 'cause I know lots of women that are listening to this are sitting there going, how do I get outta here?
How do I, mm-hmm. These guys did it. How do I do it? That's the number one question I get asked all the time. Like, how did you walk away from a multimillion dollar career at 52? And start something brand new. I just did it. [00:32:00] I had to have a plan in place. Like I didn't just like, you know, we have bills to pay, we get all that.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: I, I thought about it for a while and then I, it dropped from a daydream to a decision. And when it became a decision, when things become a decision, like leaving a corporate toxic work environment or writing a book or whatever, you get into a planning mode. You get into action, you get into, and then when you're in that mode, as Jamie would know from her neuroscience background, you start, I call them inspirational hits.
You start going, oh. I never even thought of that. I could, maybe I could try this or maybe I could talk to this person about this idea I have about a book. And within a matter of months she's in, she's off, out of a work environment that's killing her and she's writing it.
Jamie McKinney: Well, let's, yes, and, and let me make sure I qualify this because I didn't make that decision.
I mean, that initially that decision was made for me. Mm-hmm. But the next step [00:33:00] then is that once I had spent three months writing the manuscript for the book, got to the end, and I, I looked at it and I thought, well, this is like, you know, boot pat myself on the back for like, there's actually some pretty good stuff in here.
But then my question was, but how do I bring this to life? Because. One book launch does not make for retirement account. And two, I really wanted for women to implement it, to live it, to experience it. And that's when I hired a business coach. And that is, that is essential, I would say, when you are making the transition.
So maybe you are, you make the decision or you know, you do the side hustle for a little while, or you know, if you don't have the support at home, there's so many places to get the support, which is exactly what you do. Julie, and I didn't know you at the time, but I hired, I hired a gentleman named Travis, and so I was part of a small group and you know, we had a curriculum every week and we had our accountability and we had like, this is how you build your business and this is what you do this week and this is how you keep up with it.
And, [00:34:00] and I've, I mean, and the good students like this is where your good student characteristics pay off because mm-hmm. I paid attention and I've. Followed up and you know, you don't get, you don't get an A anymore, but you get a, a proper business infrastructure and eventually revenue in something that can be sustainable. Yeah. And, and impact others and do it on your terms.
Julie Cober: Right. And here's the thing that's so important here. Every strategy works, every business strategy, every marketing strategy, every sales strategy, every weight loss strategy, every strategy works. Why do we know that? 'cause there's people implementing them and they're having success.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: So the key, what Jamie just said there is she knew right away, intuitively, I'm not doing this alone. I've never built a business from the ground up and, you know, get it to a certain amount of revenue in a certain period of time. And most women that I work with, 'cause you're right, we help them exit and there's a whole process, right?
You make a decision to leave. Whether that's made for you or not, a lot of the time it is made for you. Okay? [00:35:00] So there is a decision. Let's just say that there's a decision to leave, then there's the actual leaving. So that could be through a termination or that could be, um, an exit strategy. You could ask for your own exit package.
We negotiate a lot of those, right? Then there's the transition, because even though you're writing this book now, you're still probably an executive. You're an executive writing a book now, right? Like to move from executive to entrepreneur, there's an, there's a mindset transition that ha an identity change that has to happen, which that's the piece most women completely underestimate and has them fall off the rails and go back.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: Right? Because they're like, what is happening over here? And they don't realize it's an identity shift and then the actual building of the business, right? So. Honestly, and I don't, I don't wanna sound facetious, that last piece is probably the easiest of the four because it's so strategic, right?
And you, and like if you're Jamie a good student and you follow, and there's tons of great business [00:36:00] coaches out there and programs and that you can get yourself up and running, but it's those o because that's the how. Mm-hmm. The action. The other three are all mindset.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. Well, and I was gonna say that that fourth piece is the established piece.
I mean, you can learn strategy anywhere. The mindset piece to, to your point, Julie, is the part that helps you find your why, so that when it gets hard or challenging, or you find yourself in the midst of like, what did I do here? What am I doing? But you can anchor on your bigger why and your purpose for being there, which is so important when you do this, because without that mindset, anchor it.
The probability of failure is very high with the high mindset anchor, however. You are, you can't help but be pulled toward your success. And it's so exciting. I mean, you and I as entrepreneurs, I mean we've all entrepreneur, like finding an entrepreneur who said, who has said, oh, I never thought about going back [00:37:00] and like, yeah, right?
Julie Cober: Like every day, 10 times a day, what have I done? Oh my,
Jamie McKinney: every entrepreneur has has said that one time, yes or another. But when you're doing something that you love and you have listened to those universe whispers and the god nudges and you know, whatever you wanna call it, your soul is aligned. And of course there's gonna be challenges.
Of course there's gonna be hard things. Of course there's gonna be figure it out. Days or weeks, but you are doing it. You're there because you want to be, not because you have to be, or you're stuck in this program, this wire, this faulty wiring, right. That that's coming to your brain. And for better or for worse, like we're, we don't, we don't need to judge that or beat yourself up about it.
It just, it's conditioning. It's conditioning. Right. It happened. It's in the past. And that's what I love about coaching is that coaching is so future focused. It's like, okay, well what, how do you wanna do it differently now? Yeah. And then you'd step into that action and it just, it, it keeps you on this flywheel and it's a place that [00:38:00] you wanna, and it's gonna be hard.
Julie Cober: And you're gonna have, I call them wall kicker days. And you're going to ask yourself in the beginning, especially like, how many times a day? What have I done? Oh my gosh. Because, you know why. I said this a while ago, we could do corporate with our eyes closed. Like I was in corporate for 28 years. Jamie, for how long?
Like 20 plus years. Right? Yeah. We, we went up the mountain. We became executives. We did, we, that was all hard too. Mm-hmm. I always say to the women I work with too, like, how come we're throwing out the baby with the bath water? Like, you're so thinking you're not capable of building this business, but you just did this over here for the, for the last 20 years and all the hardships you went through.
Same. Yeah. Like nobody said it's gonna be easy. And who wants it to be easy? Your, you know, who wants it to be ego? Your ego, your ego wants it to be easy.
Jamie McKinney: Well, right. I assume that the, your listeners here would be bored if it was easy. I mean, granted, there's days, like there's days, right? Like, let me just hit the easy button.
Or, you know, the, we grow up not wanting anybody tell, telling us what to do, and then you [00:39:00] reach a certain point, you're like, somebody just tell me what to do. Yeah. But you're gonna, you're gonna have the wall kicker days either way. Like you're gonna have a wall.
Julie Cober: Yeah. You don't think you didn't, did you forget the ones you had at corporate? Right. 'cause they were pretty, you know, almost every day.
Jamie McKinney: Right. But there, there's, there is reward in kicking your own wall, so to speak. Yes, yes, yes. And, and knowing that you're the one who's, who's in charge of that, and you can pivot however you want.
Julie Cober: That's the whole damn point. Honestly, that is the whole damn point of going into entrepreneurship in my opinion, is.
To, to have that growth, to have your own thing. Right. To have, you do, have freedom in, in how you decide to show up every single day. You know, you, you, you need to think differently about time. Right. You need to think differently about yourself. 'cause there's that whole identity piece. You need to think way differently about money.
Right. Like, as an entrepreneur. But it, like, it's, it's, I don't know if I've [00:40:00] ever in my life had a bigger growth experience.
Jamie McKinney: Oh yeah.
Julie Cober: Moving from an executive to an entrepreneur.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: The reward. You're right. So the bigger the, the challenge, the bigger the reward, but mm-hmm. So I wanna jump in a little bit into your business now.
So that's JMD consulting and really the amazing work you're doing around empowering women. And I love this concept that you talk about. I've, I've listened, like go on Jamie's website, we'll give you all the stuff in the show notes, but she's got a great YouTube, like little YouTube, I think you must be training in one of the corporate clients that you have, but you talk about prior prioritization of your confidence portfolio.
Mm-hmm. Which I love, and I'm like, oh, that's so corporate-y. Right, right. But is the best investment you can make. Mm-hmm. So can you talk to us a little bit about this sort of bank balance methodology you use in terms of confidence? Because Yes,
Jamie McKinney: yes. Never. That's what Jamie's known for. Confidence, right?
Julie Cober: Yeah. Building back, rebuilding, building up confidence in her. [00:41:00] The client she works with that are women in corporate.
Jamie McKinney: Yes. Yeah. So you want to be mindful of your confidence bank account and be paying attention to how you're intentionally making deposits. Are you intentionally making deposits? And what is making withdrawals without your permission, essentially, like who's making deductions from your bank account that you have not authorized.
Right. And you know, we talk, we talk about like two-factor authentication and you know, all of these things, but the basic premise is pay attention to what you're good at doing and what you enjoy doing. Mm-hmm. The things you're good at doing are your natural gifts, your strengths, your superpowers. And this is, whereas women, our humility backfires on this sometimes because we like to think, oh, well, you know, everybody does.
Fill in the blank here. Everybody does that really well. I mean, everybody knows their way around a pivot table or everybody knows how to do labor negotiations or everybody knows how to do like fill in the blank and it's like, well, hang on a second. [00:42:00]
Julie Cober: Mm-hmm. Let's, no, everybody doesn't.
Jamie McKinney: No, everybody doesn't.
Or maybe someone knows how to do that, but not the way you know how to do it. Right. There's some level of insight or expertise or value that you bring to not all subject matter, but certain subject matter. Mm-hmm. That when you start to pay attention to it, it's the same thing as building a muscle, right?
Just like we all have confidence, we're all born with a confidence gene. We also all have biceps. And to grow your bicep, what do you do? You can't just like look at it or talk to it nicely or put a fashionable sleeve on it. You have to flex it. You have to use it, and when you use it, it grows. And if you don't use it, what happens?
It never goes away. No lack of effort will ever make your bicep away. It will never go away, but it will weaken. Your strengths and your gifts work the same way if you don't pay attention to them, if you don't use them, if you don't own them as yours. And celebrate the fact that, yeah, I do [00:43:00] this and I do it really well.
And that's confidence. By the way. Arrogance is when you do it really well and you believe that, that makes you superior to others. Yeah, right. But if you leave out that superiority, which most women do, that's pure confidence. And as you build that, the muscle confidence is contagious. I mean, hopefully just from listening to this podcast like you're, you're catching some of this confidence and this belief that you can, because that is the truth of the matter.
It simply takes paying attention to the unique skills that you bring to the table and, and making those deposits into your confidence account every time you spend time on them.
Julie Cober: That's so interesting because I totally agree that I think we all, every single one of us, every human on this planet has, has come here with a, at least one gift, if not more.
Oh yeah. They're all unique and that's our job is to figure them out. And so this is super interesting to me because when you told us the story of the gentleman [00:44:00] on the rig, the word that kept coming that like what came off that email, Jamie, is confidence whether you were or were not. Those words were confident he picked up on it and that's why you had that interaction.
So what she just explained, she may be unconsciously did that, but isn't that interesting, the start of your career and now you're training and empowering and having, helping women embody this confidence. Gene that we all have.
Jamie McKinney: Yes.
Julie Cober: And so it started way back there on the rig, probably even before that. But that's the first example you gave us.
Right? So I love this because here, uh, the whole reason we started this podcast, and we called it according to who is we challenge beliefs. Right? Like, who said that? Who said that's the way we have to succeed? Who said this is the way we have to operate in a male dominated industry? All the things. So we are disrupting what it means to be successful.
I don't believe you have to hustle and grind the way we were taught in corporate. As an [00:45:00] entrepreneur, you can if you want, but we don't have to. Mm-hmm. So I, I wonder, I, I can imagine in your business now, it takes. A decent amount of unpacking when you start training or coaching some of the women that you're working with, right?
In terms of what they believe, what their assumptions are, how they show up in their day, you know, their feelings around confidence and, and all those things. Can, can you share a little bit about that with like, is it mindset work? Is it action? Is it both? Yes. Like how do you, how do you start unpacking this lack of confidence with these women that you work with?
Jamie McKinney: It actually, and this is where I'm like smiling so big right now because it takes far less unpacking than you might think.
Julie Cober: Oh, good. Okay.
Jamie McKinney: You can, I mean, think about confidence, like a little spark, and once you get that spark and it, and you can peel back a couple layers that have just essentially been sitting over your confidence.
Mm-hmm. It's almost like, you know, if you've got a, a [00:46:00] candle right in a dark room mm-hmm. And you put like a bucket or something over it, that room is super dark. Yeah. But if you lift the, if you lift the bucket and it's that one little flame now you can see throughout the whole room. Right. And so in my, my, so the, my signature coaching program is called The Three Pillars of Leadership.
And that's one of the first things that we do is we ignite that, that little flame again, we pour some gas on it, we let it burn brighter. Mm-hmm. And what most women experience in that first one is this huge exhale. And that, oh, there I am.
Julie Cober: They feel it again.
Jamie McKinney: They feel it again. And as one woman said to me last week is this is just, it's so powerful.
She actually, uh, was like, she and her mom had been talking about this a lot because she had been, in some circumstances that really undermined her confidence and made those huge withdrawals mm-hmm. Unauthorized withdrawals from her account. Mm-hmm. And as she [00:47:00] started to go through the program and the confidence conditioning, her mom said, there's my daughter again.
Julie Cober: Oh my gosh. That's amazing. Wow. I know, isn't it? She needs to give you a testimonial. Um, I, you know, this, I love this because I say that I have so many women come to me and sit and it's so sad. They, and I was here too. I was here too, but she's, they say to me, oh my God, Julie, I don't know what's wrong.
I've lost myself. And I'm like, mm, no, you haven't. You haven't. She's in there. It's the same thing, right? Yeah. She's in there and that what they're saying is, I've lost my confidence. I've lost my, my mojo. And I always, one of the things that I always suggest to women too, and I do this still, go on YouTube and just type in, and Jamie will appreciate this 'cause she, her, she has a daughter.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: That's the age bracket I'm about to say. Right. Or coming into, I always say like 18 months, two years old.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: And say, looking baby, looking in the mirror like, but a toddler. Right. If you are lacking confidence, honestly, like they [00:48:00] are. All that and a bag of chips, right? Yeah. Like they are looking at themselves, winking, going up to the mirror, kissing they clapping, love themselves, clapping.
Mm-hmm. Happiness, joy is exuding from them. And I think there she is, like the all of us were her. At one time. Right. So life piled on as it does. And like Jamie said, we've got this bucket on top of this candle. I love that analogy.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: Take off the bucket and take the candle up to the mirror and you'll find her again.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: The woman that loves herself. Right. Because we came to this earth loving ourselves and then life just took over. Yeah. But I believe it's the second half of life. That's what we're doing. Women. And that's why I started this podcast is women are like. I'm not doing this anymore, like I want her back and whatever that means in your life. Right?
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. It's, it's kind of like using Botox. It's kind of like confidence Botox, right? To get your own stuff back.
Julie Cober: Yeah. Yeah. Whatever it takes. Right? I don't care. No [00:49:00] judgment on anything like that. It's a feeling.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah,
Julie Cober: it's a feeling. And you'll know it when she's back.
Jamie McKinney: Right. Well, and the other, the other piece of unpacking it is also there's, there are specific circumstances that rattle confidence.
It, it doesn't just come and go all on its own. There's specific circumstances and we talk about that in the program too, and that's also really helpful because essentially once you are familiar with those circumstances and you can relate them back to something that happened, you instantly regain your control.
And this ability to be empowered to decide what you wanna do differently or better in your next. Step, essentially what rattled your confidence likely doesn't have much to do with you. It has to do with a another person or another circumstance. Right? And the second you can separate yourself from that, you will stand up taller and you will realize where you've got your power.
Julie Cober: Right? And it's all confidence is personal power, right? Mm-hmm. And we all have it. [00:50:00] Yeah. That's so amazing. So, okay, so you have been in your role as an entrepreneur now for nine years, right? Maybe 10, almost nine to 10 years. Mm-hmm. And I, you're building what I think is a like incredibly important business because based on everything we just talked about, right?
Tell us in the audience what's the, what do you think's the scariest thing that you've done in these nine years?
Jamie McKinney: Ooh,
Julie Cober: as an entrepreneur
Jamie McKinney: one. You really did your homework on this interview today, Julie, so I just wanna give you a nod for that.
Julie Cober: Well, you know, I'm an overachiever too.
Jamie McKinney: Yes. We're, we're a good company. What's the scariest thing I've done? Oh, actually, okay. Yeah, I know this. I knew it would come, like, you have to think for a minute. Well, it, it just happened two, two months ago. Um, I, so I do coaching and then I do some keynote speaking. My, my goal is not to be the, the keynote speaker that flies all around.
To your point, I have a little one and [00:51:00] mm-hmm. Um, I love my coaching program, which I do much of virtually and mm-hmm. So I like having my whole setup at home here, not relying on hotel technology. Yeah. And, but I was invited to come speak in person to the largest audience I've ever spoken in front of and outside of the us I mean, the largest audience I've spoken to, but in addition to the largest audience, it was in Mexico, I was told that the audience.
I was bilingual. I learned differently. They weren't, once I got there, many of them were. Uh, but when I stepped on that stage, I realized that half were listening to me in, in English real time. And about the other half were listening through a Spanish translator. And so there was a two second delay. So it was an audience of a thousand people.
Julie Cober: Oh my gosh. Okay. That's big.
Jamie McKinney: And it's, it's big. And even with my –
Julie Cober: As your first, too? This is your first big public speaking?
Jamie McKinney: I mean, I've spoken to hundreds of people in a live [00:52:00] audience before, but not a thousand. And when I walked into that room on Wednesday, 'cause the talk, the presentation was Thursday, the first thought that crossed my mind was holy.
Crap. This is, is much bigger than what I had envisioned to me. How the good you didn't envision that, all those seats. Yeah. So that was definitely the scariest thing that I have done. However, it was also the most invigorating thing that I have done. It was exciting because I, and I'm gonna have a podcast episode coming out about this.
I essentially lived my own case study of how I prepared for that. Uh, everything from the tactical steps to the mindset to investing, enrolling other people in, in my success that day. The, the follow up strategy that happened, how I tested my material. I mean, I spoke in Spanish for part of it, and I don't speak Spanish, so I had to like crash course learned a few things.
Julie Cober: That's amazing. What a great intention.
Jamie McKinney: [00:53:00] Thank you. Yes. And it, um, and the, the gentleman who had invited me to be here, they, there he was the president of the organization. And we were walking from the green room, you know, up to the, the stage area. And he looked at me and he goes, are you nervous? And I looked at him and I said, yeah.
I said, thousand people, Yeah. I said, I'm nervous. I said, however, I'm more excited than I am nervous. Mm-hmm. And I know what to do when I get nervous. I know what to do when I get scared. I know how to channel that into excitement. I know how to recognize the opportunity that is in this. And if the opposite were true, if I weren't nervous, if I weren't scared.
Then I'd be playing beneath my potential here.
Julie Cober: Well, and let's be clear, like the, all of us, everyone gets nervous. I don't care how your Tony Robbins gets nervous before he goes out on the stage. Still to this day.
Jamie McKinney: Yeah. Stephen M. R. Covey spoke on that same stage the next day. And like I know he was nervous too.
And, and of course it's, I mean, and that's programming [00:54:00] as well. And it goes back to mindset. And I don't wanna go like too far down this rabbit hole, but like all the thoughts that we have in our head, they're programs, their software, and we can rewrite the software.
Julie Cober: We have choice. And your reality is based on that software.
Jamie McKinney: A hundred percent. And you get to, we have choice. You need a T-shirt. Julie that says that you have choice.
Julie Cober: I know. I need to get some merch. It's true. We have choice and we have choice in our thoughts. Now, a lot of them are on auto autopilot, as Jamie just said. Right. So the, the work is to bring them off of autopilot.
Yes. And, and that's the work that we do till the day we die. Like that just never ends. But
Jamie McKinney: yeah. And to catch yourself. It'll ebb and flow with stress. Right. The more stress goes up, the, the less, like the less able we are to hear our, hear our thoughts. Un until we create intention around it.
Julie Cober: Exactly. And so imagine the confidence bicep you just built by speaking to a thousand people.
Jamie McKinney: I came back to the US and I'm like, alright. Hundred. Do you know now to [00:55:00] the next level? Yeah. Yeah. That's what it does. It just. I think that speaks to the, the whole theme of this message. Like you don't know unless you try. And the worst thing that can happen is probably not what's going to happen. And everybody's so busy with their life that they're gonna forget about it anyhow.
They're not gonna go home and sit down to dinner with their family and, and talk about your failure that day. Like they'll be onto something else. So.
Julie Cober: Exactly, exactly. That's a good thing to remember. Like we think people are so absorbed with us and they're not so, okay. So I wanna take a moment to congratulate Jamie because she just won a super important, impressive, I mean, I could put a whole bunch of a adjective awards, so the International Association of Top Professionals, so that's the IAOTP just awarded Jamie the top empowerment coach of the year.
I'm like, what? Not that I'm not [00:56:00] surprised at all. When I saw that I was so bursting with joy. I'm like, she's worked so hard for nine years on empowerment and confidence and working with women and really like, I think the reason why, one of the reasons why Jamie and I were so connected so early is we believe so strongly that everybody deserves to love their life.
Like genuinely love their life and have that supported by work that brings them joy.
Jamie McKinney: Mm-hmm.
Julie Cober: Right. And that's why she won this award. So congratulations on that. Thank you. That is so huge. I think you're off to Vegas right? In December to receive the award.
Jamie McKinney: The award ceremony is in Las Vegas in December.
Julie Cober: Yes. That's amazing. Anyway, so we'll look for all the social media shots on that. Um, and you were chosen for that because of your exceptional leadership, right? Your commitment and your contribution to the coaching industry.
Jamie McKinney: Well, what's really exciting about this award is that, and it's sitting right, right there, uh, was on it there.
Okay. Is that it [00:57:00] speaks to the results of my clients, uh, the promotions that they've received, the increases in compensation. I mean, we're closing in on a million dollars this year, and it's August year to date of additional compensation that women who've been through my programs have
Julie Cober: and remember in the male dominated injury
Jamie McKinney: Yeah,
Julie Cober: yeah.
Jamie McKinney: Asked for with confidence. Mm-hmm. Uh, so it, it's, it's really humbling and exciting to win an award like this because I wouldn't have won it had it not been for the results that my clients generate. So it really is shared, and that just makes my heart smile so big.
Julie Cober: Oh, that's so amazing. Oh, your clients are probably so proud.
So tell us what's new in your world? I know you have some new things coming up. What's next? Yeah. What's, what's about, what are you about to launch?
Jamie McKinney: What am I about to launch?
Julie Cober: Jamie doesn't sit still for very long.
Jamie McKinney: Well, I did have that period of time when I had a new baby and I just kept things status quo.
'cause my, my new client [00:58:00] was the, the seven pound, seven ounce one. And I, I dedicated many of my resources to her. I'm launching something called the Leadership Laboratory. And the Leadership Laboratory is both a podcast and a community. Because one of the, the main takeaways that I have from now years of coaching is that leadership is one big experiment.
And to put yourself in a safe space where you can experiment, where you can find your leadership style, where you can practice saying something out loud that you want to say to your boss that you want to say while you're public speaking. And do that in an environment that's supportive and where the stakes are low, if you screw up mm-hmm.
Like, big deal. It just take two. Uh, it, it's so transformational to be in that type of setting. And so that's what the lab is like. Come to the lab, craft your experiment, test it out. What did you learn? What are you gonna do differently next time? And just notice. How you accelerate your results when you do that.
Julie Cober: Wow. That's amazing. Like, it's a [00:59:00] safety net. It's like, and and that's like, um, what I first thought of when you were talking is like a really good public speaker. So you just kind of gave your steps like nobody wings, no good public speaker wings it, right? They, they're standing in front of a mirror saying that speech over and over and over.
So the worlds flow off. Same when you're going into a meeting to ask for more money. Yes. So imagine going into a lab that Jamie's running and like practice. Yes. Amazing.
Jamie McKinney: Your, your dog should be able to recite what you're saying in a meeting because your dog is heard you practice. Heard it so many times.
Julie Cober: And yeah, that's, that's what I love too, Jamie, is that it's safe.
'cause you know, corporate isn't always safe for a lot of women.
Jamie McKinney: No. And even sometimes people, and, and, and you know, there's a lot of good people, right? There's a lot of great people Oh yeah, yeah. Work. But sometimes the one that, sometimes you just want that separation, right? And to know that you have unequivocal trust and unequivocal safety, and that's great because that's where you're most likely to test your limits the most.
And when you [01:00:00] test your limits, you find what you're truly capable of and you elevate your performance.
Julie Cober: Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Okay. That's awesome. So that's launching in September, right?
Jamie McKinney: Yes
Julie Cober: or yes. Okay. All right. So how can the audience connect with you? 'cause I'm sure they're gonna wanna after this, after this interview.
Jamie McKinney: Well, I would love to hear from your audience. Uh, you can find me on LinkedIn. It's Jamie Dandar McKinney. So I got my, I still have my maiden name in there. And then regarding the leadership laboratory specifically, you can go to jamiemckinney.com/lab.
Julie Cober: Okay. Okay. And we will make sure that all of Jamie's handles and all what's new and all that is in our show notes.
We'll get that all from her. So you can always go to the show notes as well and get all the, the actual handles. We've, I, I'm sure they'll even be linkable. You could probably just click right there. So, great, my friend. Thank you so much. This was so much gold as I knew it would be. I so appreciate your story and sharing with us and this audience, and it's just, it's been [01:01:00] remarkable and I know it's just almost getting started again, right.
Again, so there's so much more coming from Jamie. I'm, I know that for sure. So thank you so much, my friend.
Jamie McKinney: Well, thank you, Julie. You're, you're, you're the consummate like corporate recovery pivot, empower others with your valuable lessons. And every time I spend, I, I spend time with you. I, I learned from you and I'm just, I'm so honored to have been a guest here and to be with you today.
Julie Cober: Aw, thank you so much. All right, my friend.
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